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High Dosage Of Clomid For A "Good Egg": Why Double The Dose? Will It Affect Egg Quality?
November 19, 2010 at 10:19 PM
 
Question:

Hi Dr. Ramirez,

I am writing from Philadelphia, PA and am 39 years old. I have had 9 pregnancies, 7 miscarriages and 2 live births. Since my last child I have had 4 miscarriages and two of the pregnancies I got pregnant with clomid (100mg a day, days 2-6).

I recently switched doctors and the new one recommended IVF with genetic testing because three of my misses were confirmed chromosonal abnormailites - but nothing else has ever been found wrong and I do have two perfectly healthy children. Well, I decided I don't want to do IVF and just take my chances of getting a "good egg" (although the last 4 weren't, I'm still hopeful that one will be). O.k, now for the question... this new doctor wants me to take 250mg of clomid days 4,5,6 and then 200mg days 7 and 8. Why more than double the dose when the lower dose got me pregnant before? Is this safe? necessary? When I call, the nurse says they want to increase my chances, but clomid doesn't effect egg quality does it? Thank you for any advice, thoughts, you can offer.


Answer:

Hello J. from the U.S.,

I am very sorry to hear about all your losses, but your age is the culprit. That is what I call the "age related egg factor". As the woman ages, the quality of her eggs decline and so there is an increased risk of abnormal embryos leading to pregnancy failure or miscarriages. IVF is recommended because we are able to get multiple eggs at the same time. With the increased number of eggs, there is a higher chance of getting a good egg that will lead to a healthy pregnancy.

PGD (pre implantation genetic diagnosis/screening) does not necessarily need to be done. In fact, I am not a big proponent of PGD if this were the only reason. I believe that the poor quality eggs will not work with IVF (i.e. not progress to viable embryos in the petri dish) and if a pregnancy ensues from the good embryos the chances are higher that it will be normal. If you absolutely want to make sure that only genetically normal embryos are transferred then PGS will be required. But then, you would have to do IVF, which you have opted not to.

The reason your doc is recommending high dose Clomid is to increase the number of eggs that you ovulate. Clomid is not the best drug for this but it is the least expensive. Using injectable medications is better but a lot more expensive. That is the only reason for using high dose Clomid in your case. By increasing the number of eggs ovulated, he is hoping that one of the eggs ovulated with be a good quality egg, just like we are trying to do with IVF. However, it may take several attempts, and you may still have miscarriages, whereas IVF would work faster and your chances of a successful pregnancy are higher.

To address your last question, Clomid will not affect the egg quality. That is already inherent in the egg. Perseverance is key in your case. I believe in letting my patients decide how they want to progress with their treatment path. You will need to keep trying, but it may take many cycles. If the miscarriages and heartbreak continue, and you truly wish to have another child, then you may have to consider in vitro fertilization.

Good Luck,

Edward J. Ramirez, M.D., FACOG
Executive Medical Director
The Fertility and Gynecology Center
Monterey Bay IVF Program
http://www.montereybayivf.com/
Monterey, California, U.S.A.
   
     
 
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Impressions from the Wise Traditions Conference
November 17, 2010 at 10:00 AM
 

I spent last weekend at the Weston A. Price Foundation Wise Traditions conference in King of Prussia, PA. Here are some highlights:

Spending time with several people in the diet-health community who I've been wanting to meet in person, including Chris Masterjohn, Melissa McEwen and John Durant. John and Melissa are the public face of the New York city paleo movement. The four of us spent most of the weekend together tossing around ideas and making merry. I've been corresponding with Chris quite a bit lately and we've been thinking through some important diet-health questions together. He is brimming with good ideas. I also got to meet Sally Fallon Morell, the founder and president of the WAPF.

Attending talks. The highlight was Chris Masterjohn's talk "Heart Disease and Molecular Degeneration: the New Paradigm", in which he described his compelling theory on oxidative damage and cardiovascular disease, among other things. You can read some of his earlier ideas on the subject here. Another talk I really enjoyed was by Anore Jones, who lived with an isolated Inuit group in Alaska for 23 years and ate a mostly traditional hunter-gatherer diet. The food and preparation techniques they used were really interesting, including various techniques for extracting fats and preserving meats, berries and greens by fermentation. Jones has published books on the subject that I suspect would be very interesting, including Nauriat Niginaqtuat, Plants that We Eat, and Iqaluich Niginaqtuat, Fish that We Eat. The latter is freely available on the web here.

I attended a speech by Joel Salatin, the prolific Virginia farmer, writer and agricultural innovator, which was fun. I enjoyed Sally Fallon Morell's talk on US school lunches and the politics surrounding them. I also attended a talk on food politics by Judith McGeary, a farmer, attorney and and activist, in which she described the reasons to oppose or modify senate bill 510. The gist is that it will be disproportionately hard on small farmers who are already disfavored by current regulations, making high quality food more difficult to obtain, more expensive or even illegal. It's designed to improve food safety by targeting sources of food-borne pathogens, but how much are we going to have to cripple national food quality and farmer livelihood to achieve this, and will it even be effective? I don't remember which speaker said this quote, and I'm paraphrasing, but it stuck with me: "I just want to be able to eat the same food my grandmother ate." In 2010, that's already difficult to achieve. Will it be impossible in 2030?

Giving my own talk. I thought it went well, although attendance was not as high as I had hoped. The talk was titled "Kakana Dina: Diet and Health in the Pacific Islands", and in it I examined the relationship between diet and health in Pacific island cultures with different diets and at various stages of modernization. I've covered some of this material on my blog, in my posts on Kitava, Tokelau and sweet potato eating cultures in New Guinea, but other material was new and I went into greater detail on food habits and preparation methods. I also dug up a number of historical photos dating back as far as the 1870s.

The food. All the meat was pasture-raised, organic and locally sourced if possible. There was raw pasture-raised cheese, milk and butter. There was wild-caught fish. There were many fermented foods, including sauerkraut, kombucha and sourdough bread. I was really impressed that they were able to put this together for an entire conference.

The vendors. There was an assortment of wholesome and traditional foods, particularly fermented foods, quality dairy and pastured meats. There was an entire farmer's market on-site on Saturday, with a number of Mennonite vendors selling traditional foods. I bought a bottle of beet kvass, a traditional Russian drink used for flavor and medicine, which was much better than the beet kvass I've made myself in the past. Beets are a remarkable food, in part due to their high nitrate content—beet juice has been shown to reduce high blood pressure substantially, possibly by increasing the important signaling molecule nitric oxide. I got to meet Sandeep Agarwal and his family, owners of the company Pure Indian Foods, which domestically produces top-quality pasture-fed ghee (Indian-style clarified butter). They now make tasty spiced ghee in addition to the plain flavor. Sandeep and family donated ghee for the big dinner on Saturday, which was used to cook delicious wild-caught salmon steaks donated by Vital Choice. I also met Dr. Ron Schmid, the world's only commercial producer of traditional cod liver oil (Dr. Ron's).

There were some elements of the conference that were not to my taste. But overall I'm glad I was able to go, meet some interesting people, give my talk and learn a thing or two.

   
     
 
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